I did that too Sandoppe, then lost the paper LOL....hopefully tomorow Richard but if not Sunday for sure, the HD problems didn't effect me or my work flow (i'm thousands of miles from the server ;o) its a complex model that did that LOL, and yes one of the items could be used in an HP scene, you just need to change a color to red ;o)...Steve PS Sorry to tease ;o) ;o)