Exhales.... I don't want to start up an anti-Daz Mob... that is not at all my intention. As you said, there are many other examples of this sort of thing running rampant all over the poser community... many other copyright protected characters being expoloited commercially... But where do we as an artist community draw a line on what is stealing from another artist and what is 'okay' because it isn't close enough? This isn't a Daz only problem. This is, I fear, a community problem that is getting out of hand, to the point that people will grab their torches and pitch forks at the merest mention of someone possibly stealing a texture from someone else and selling it..... or publishing a render or making a tube of a a render without the artist's permission... We afford our fellow artists rights and protect them zealously... even fanatically... But we turn a blind eye to a artist employed by a movie or gaming company's work? Is there artwork any less valid than ours because they have a sallery? Line I refer to is not for or against daz, the line I refer to is where is the line between right and wrong.... where does it become okay to ignore a copyright?