Carlo hi, If you look at the screengrab, the 'object' is selected. but the TAB key doesn't toggle it between the two modes. As it is selected pressing A should deselect it you say, "(pressing it once when an object is selected, deselects it). " but it doesn't in this case. I mentioned shiftA because in another thread someone mentioned this incrementing counterbox appearing when he pressed A. One of the replies seemed to imply this should only happen if you press shiftA. Well I pressed A and get this counterbox too. Anyway I had a bit of free time today and completely uninstalled then reinstalled 2.35a. As you say it still doesn't acknowledge it is the 'a' version, but at least now the TAB key seems to be behaving properly. I still cannot get my object to render even though the material is applied to it. There are just too many weird things with this prog, its fine being different but not if it impedes the user. rgds Bob