Sorry duanemoody, I was so overcome I didn't see your post :) Thankyou to you as well, I think I need to spend a LOT more time experimenting, I was starting to lose hope with Vicki but maybe she is just more difficult to get to grips with than the standard poser figures (and even Michael.) Really, the biggest problem I've been having is making the eyes larger - the one time I managed to get a fair result, a problem had occurred somewhere in the transfer process and they popped out the sides of her head like some weird alien eyestalks morph :) Thanks again, both