@derjimi, As for the IM's,.........I recently posted an image called "Battle Weary"(don't look for it, I pulled it), depicting a weary GI taking a few minutes of rest from whatever conflict he's been in,.......... and it recieved no comments,.......however, I did recieve 2 E-mails, very threatening in nature,........calling me a war criminal and a fascist etc.,.........Anyway, back to the issue at hand, at least you have made the appropriate comments,......every time I have tried that I got a handslap threatening me with banishment. I do not understand the level of crapola that sometimes seems to permeate the "Not 20" these days. For me, some of the members do not seem to have even the most rudimentary grasp of the app they're using,........not that I do, mind you,......my works have gotten crappier and crappier but with good reason, my eyes are failing. So what is the excuse for the falling level of competence and creativity ? Why do some post, IMO, the most insipid, simplistic, just plain awful works ? Because they can. That's the only reason I can come up with. I have to be content with the knowledge that they are dilettantes. I've gotten e-mails saying any kind of "realism" is easy with Computer art, why don't you just take a photo and have done with it ? You can't win for losing.

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