Has this thread gone overboard? - Guess you could say that. Was this what I intended with my original post? - Not really. Does this thread provide anything positive at all? -YES! Yes it does. It proves once again that the Voting system and the Hot 20 (esp in the Bryce Gallery) is a fruking mess and a LOT of members are fed up with it. It should show the Big-wigs here at R that the system they say isn't broken, doesnt work. All the personal insults aside. This issue of the H20 is one that NEEDS to be addressed by R and its leaders. They have been made aware of this over and over and continue to ignore it like it is one or 2 people that are upset over it. I have suggested a couple things to R in terms of helping to remedy some of the problems. They have all gone ignored. 1. Make the Vote button just like the rankings, in that; when an artist upload their work, they can choose to allow or NOT allow Voting. (why should I or anyone be forced to participate in a sham like the H20 Voting?) 2. Take a page from DeviantArt.com and allow the artist to select the degree in which they want crits. DA has a menu when you upload to say if you dont want any critical comments. From basically "I only want praise" to "rip me a new one" kind of thing (that is not litterally what it says, just the idea of it). Unfortunatly, I think R is all about keeping as many members here for the sake of another wallet at their store. They fear to make any move at all on these issues wondering if it will have a backlash in their pockets. Happy Venting to all..... -B