Hmmm.... Very interesting.... (Takes of German helmet and straightens ears.) There are aspects of the Poser interface design which could be greatly inproved. It wouldn't be artistic, but using the standard OS windows, and changing the colour-scheme from the current shit-brown theme would make a huge difference. As it is, they seem to be aping Kai Kruse without having his talent. And can somebody point me to a description of just what nurbs are. I think the folks who make the bloatware accusation are hitting one clear target. Poser 5 still has problems that are clearly related to the underlying structure, and which can make it frustrating for professional use. But I'm not so sure that the actual program is all that bloated. It's more that some key components need a re-write, Memory management for one. And Poser is a better general-purpose rendering program than many might think. It's not just the people. There are the models, and if you want to emulate Star Wars for a shot in that video, you can animate and render in Poser. (just be careful of copyrights and stuff.) I think there's a market for a reliable program that lets the average guy do things has a potentially huge market. Maybe it means, as with Shade, a Poser LE? If Poser were to have plug-ins for producing a texturemap, and other content-creation features, would people pay extra for that? Is there going to be another version of Poser Artist? Will it be a re-name of Poser 5, or something on a parallel track?