Sorry to hear it, phenom01, but, not to defend their...uhhh...less-than-perfect practices in dealing with customers, but on the bright side, you will be happy with Vue 4 once you can use it. Just make sure you also have the latest patch, because...well, let's just say that the original out-of the-box Vue 4 was kinda...errmmm...lacking... Agiel, I finally got the email with my code, and it's downloading right now, but it's gonna take a good while, since I have only a CRY 56 K (currently at 32K) connection. Yeah, have a good laugh at that, but that's the price I pay for living away from the city, in the sticks. But at least I have a nice lake filled with all kinds of fish in the backyard and lots of trees. :) In LW, "GI" covers not only Radiosity, but Ambient light as well as caustics, and in the LW Surface Editor, you can assign Luminescence to an object, then turn off the lights, set the ambient light low, and the object actually becomes the light source, seemingly controlled by the ambient setting. But actually, I don't use it much, as it dramatically affects the render time, and amazing results are possible with LW's "Area" lights, which create 'almost-radiosity' effects, (minus the bouncing colors), with quicker render times. (An "Area" light is ray-traced, but can be made to be very "soft".) But, there's a definite time and place for Radiosity, and I want to see how Vue deals with it. Plus, to make a landscape scene in Vue takes, like 5 minutes. In LW, the same scene would take hours to set up, at least for me, because everything would have to be created individually, and LW's "sky tracer" plugins (v. 1&2) are totally primitive compared to Vue. Even Vue 2 has better sky controls than LW! I'm thinking about getting E-on's Ozone plugin for LW for atmospheres, though.