Hold on a minute...I'll use just the names you mention. Do you really believe the the work of jocko, not to mention one or two others who have shown up there lately (Who I will not mention by name because you did not),is on par with the work of Beton or Rochr or Flak? I'll give him props for his work, even given that I don't particularly like it, but he does...so he posts it. Perfect, that's what we're here for!!! He may not like my stuff either. But, in my mind the Hot20 is for pieces that it would take some time to be able to imitate, that push the limits, that make you stop and wonder, wow, how'd they do that. Not something that evokes a response of , ooooprettycolors. That is my opnion. Some of the comments made on either side may have been truly over the top inflamatory and thus probably out of line but that is no reason to slam back. "They started it" should have gone out in about 3rd grade. For my money I'll continue to try to get my efforts on par with beton, rochr, flak et al.and maybe someday one of my works will end up in the Hot20. Am I jealous of some of what I see there now? No. Do I undrestand how it meets the criteria to be there? No. Do I have any desire to produce anything similar in style or technical "merit"? No. But then maybe those who vote as they do hold to a different ideal for what belongs there. There are no clear "rules" for what is worthy and what is not in terms of this list. Until there are we should just each vote as we see fit, truly judging each work of art, not voting just to get back at anyone else. (puts his soapbox away and goes to play video games with his kids)