although i own bryce, i'm not much of a "brycer". i look at the hot 20 for all the programs i own. i'd love to see (and, in this forum, often USED to see)stuff i would aspire to. now, the 20 here, and in the poser gallery, as well, leave me a bit flat. i'm sorry, some of the works mentioned here i would never "aspire" to. and, that's what i think the 20 should be all about....not friends, or grandstanding, but showing works that others will look at and wonder how it was done. slapping a fractal on a terrain or a 2 dimensional figure done in poser just don't float my boat. too easy to go figger how it was done, and, often, how little time it took to do.