Thanks Antonia, You rock! I have wondered why some morphs have no object, just a box when I open them in anim8or. Now I know. I heard from Elfwine who says there will be a cool render at earliest opportunity. I think since folks have put such effort into all the input on this object that I will eventually do another upgrade with a texture template and more goodies (including your Bodkin point). I hope to expand the item as time allows. Thanks again Antonia Will (diviner)