zakalwe, that is not exactly what I mean refer to DaVinci's regular dodecahedron as illustrated in Luca Pacioli's De divina proportione. It will be a start but it looks like I'll have some work to do. Currently I'm using bryce 3d and there is no dodeca in the objects library (default) I should try the tool kit and see if there is one in there. Thanks everyone for your input.