face-off, Glad that you lost control and are giving us tips! I will start with your recommendations and most likely will wander off like richardson into my own realm, as usual. Perhaps I will then earn a few curses from you! I will be working with this particular model extensively. She 'got the part' in a film I am doing over Vickie. Therefore I will be a good lab for the Poser5Woman (judy). From what you are saying, your script/concept feeds off the existence of a bump map. Makes sense. I will look into making or acquiring one for Karen (that's my name for this character.) It occurs to me that this script may reduce the number of lights necessary because of the diffusion effects..that tends to reduce render time! I will see. The reason I am focused on render time, of course, is that I am a filmmaker. In fact, I am rendering a short clip of Karen with your script in play right now. Will post in a few hours. ::::: Opera :::::