I have on several occasions encountered 'lights' distributed with products, or purchased as stand alone products, that consisted of numerous individuals, sometimes as many as 12, all set to low intensity. The concept here is probably avoidance of highlight and simulation of general difuse luminosity or skylight. Hi Posermatic, I made a bump map out of the Nikki texture using the instructions in the Poser5 Manual [Desaturate, invert, step up contrast, grayscale]. I "Think" I was able to achieve deployment, although I am so new to the P5 material room it may not yet be properly in place. I got a node going for image_map connected to the root "bump", at any rate. I checked off the control that tells the face_off script to inject noise if image bump map not found. My results in a quick test render: There are effects there, but more subtle than that simulated by 'noise.' Therefore, I will be working with contrast ratio and other controls to bring the bump up. Glad to have you on board this thread (Posermatic is the author of the excellent texture I am using for 'Karen', namely Nikki So Real.) ::::: Opera :::::