I like Post #8 as well. I am keeping that one to. :-) That is why I also posted the nod settings. Although that is not what I am looking for. Trying for that real glossy ground, wet with waves. "Shiny" Like Post #11. See in post #11 That is what I like, the ground really wet, but I am having a problem with the reflection. Lower part of the vehicle looks ok, although the top part doesn't look right. So in Post #12, looks better, but still problems. I will post my nods later.