Wait a minute. I've created characters based upon Victoria AND Michael and even as I type have a load in my Character palette. Usually I save the tunes with IK ON. At times I do turn off IK and sometimes I save the characters, after some modification or something, with IK OFF and when I reload them IK is STILL OFF. Is this because I've changed their names? I know I have some of the girls saved with IK off now ... Mystified, Rance