You're not being realistic bonnyclump. I have Lightwave - version 7.5 had (I believe) four service releases. It is no longer being updated. All resources are working on updating version 8. Yes, there are still bugs in version 7.5. Will they be fixed? No. Perhaps another service release will appear for Vue4 Pro - perhaps you should ask E-On? And yes... we can get into the whole debate on buggy software and it's the customer who gets screwed, yada-yada-yada and we have crappy software. I'm outa that debate! :) I will be waiting to see how well Vue Infinite will perform. I personally hope it has better atmospheres - something like what Terragen 2 will have. I'm beginning to understand why the majority on this forum become exasperated when you post. Please direct the constant E-On bashing to their tech support. Everyone already knows your position here. Thank You! Megalodon