We're talking about two different things Dart--crashing, locking up etc. falls under breakdown a in the basic functionality, not polish. Poser, 4 at least, is actually pretty good on that score but then I don't do huge renders or animation. I'm talking about the refinements that make a program easier to use and smooth out workflow. From my perspective as a programmer, if the user has to find enjoyment in working around problems in the program then I haven't done my job. I don't deny there can be satisfaction in finding a workaround for problems but wouldn't you really rather spend your time using the program for the intended purpose than playing detective? Of course, it may be professional bias on my part. When I see something that could have been done to make an application better without a lot of additional effort and yet it isn't implemented, i tend to be critical. Of course, I don't have access to Poser's code so what seems trivial to me may be a nightmare to do for them. That however brings up the other point of what by all appearences is an antiquated code base that probably needs to be redone from the ground up. If, as I've heard, there are still issues from P4 (and possibly P3) that continue in P5 that would certainly seem to be true. Don't get me wrong. I think Poser is an awesome product and I want it to grow. They're not going to have the luxury of little or no competition forever though. I think CL themselves have said that P6 will largely be fixing the bugs in P5. In a way that's good but it also suggests that they plan to continue trying to maintain an ageing foundation.The longer the put off the inevitable, the longer it will take. They can ask Microsoft about that.

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