Swamp is right...but.....i discovered if you add V3, remove ik then open the joint editor and hit the zero figure button shes in the same position as the geometry obj...no big deal there though ;o).....then straighten her arms, and export.......now model around that, create the model, create the cr2 and add it to the scene with V3, do as above with th ik and zero, (don't conform the cloth BTW) then bend the sleeves of the cloth to fit V3 and export.....when you export in the hierachy window only select the cloth (uncheck everything else) and in the last export box only check the top box to preserve the objs groups.......Reason for all this is to make modeling and mapping the arm area easier......Steve