Allthough Vue's skin quality is'nt quite that of Poser... Dunno - Vue 5 looks pretty close. Vue 4 did nothing but good things for me, so I have no complaint at all against it (plus, the CDs were hybrid 'doze/Mac, so even though I originally bought it a long time ago for a Windows 2000 box, I was able to eventually ditch Windows and install it on my old Cube.) If you have Mac OSX 10.3 and just bought Vue 4, just make sure you get the 10.3 installer app thingy (free download), else setup won't launch. /P