"Poser is the weirdest product in that regard. Never have I seen so many people who rely on our dollars who are so rude and/or apparently have absolutely no business sense. The prevailing attitude goes like this: "You'd better like my product, or keep your mouth shut. If you keep complaining, I'll get together with my buddies, we'll gang up on you, and drive you out." Yeah? I don't know about this. Every forum I frequent for every app (lots of them) - graphics, video editing, sound, multimedia, etc etc - all look the same. Same with HW forums for everything under the sun. Harddrives, MoBos, MP3 players, videocams, MTBs, everything. People who scream how this is the WORST SHIT they ever bought etc etc. How the people who run the company (or the forum) or whatever are the MOST UNCARING, STUPID people is the whole world. And it just makes me tired. What everyone needs is to realise that nothing/no-one is perfect, including (definitly! lol!) Poser, which has enough quirks to fill a whole extra manual. "Ok, I've had enough of this thread" No you haven't, lol! :] Fish