Doug, not like that Jeff H guy? ;-) the one who has unintentionally fueled the flames while trying to put them out. ( me hopes Jeff knows I'm not being negative, only mentioning past occurrences of issue in rest of post ) the main reason for people walking out hurt is the lack of visual cues as to what is really meant in a post. there ain't no body language in a typed message, we all can ( probably do ) forget this occasionally, and post something that can / is taken the wrong way. due to that lack of visual cues. but the open topic forum, while a dead horse here, has worked on other sites, using both heavy and minimal moderation. if people don't like a decision made by the staff here, they can take thier chat etc., to any of the other sites. then the bitchfest will quiet down.