I think some of the technical suggestions sounded interesting (I've never used Poser) but then when you see what sort of comments are posted on most things in the Poser gallery and that everything is ranked "Excellent" it seems to me that many less talented individuals get false praise. I do believe that unrealistic images are still "art" and my fav images list is filled with them, along with a few "realistic" ones, but from the number of unrealistic ones compared to teh number of realistic ones, I'd say realism shows a lot more work and talent in many cases. cara