Thanks BT, I'll do some more screenshots to illustrate the nudging, I actually found an efficient way to do it where you actually only have to nudge "Groups"instead of nudging each individual terrain. So Thanks for the suggestion on that one. I may break down and run the new patch. I'll just back up all my presets just in case. I was pretty exited about the new features also. but I was one of the guinea pig for the first real corel upgrade( not just the splashscreen one). it was followed shortly thereafter with The now latest patch,Which I have not yet tried, I guess I was still a bit cautious after the first release. Thanks again, You've been most helpful. I'll be sure to let you know when I make the changes. I have a nice long 4 day weekend to get caught up on some stuff so it will be soon. Hawkfyr

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