thanks so much guys for everything you said. you give me courage to forge ahead. i just wanted to be sure. i wasn't trusting myself.brian...i've been wanting to try to do what YOU do because i want so much to make artificial layers. LP..thanks...and i agree about your definition!!! onslow...THANK YOU! Sylvaine, oh...i'm so glad you like this one Sylvine!!! big Italian kiss for you hugz, sheila