ROFL!!!! It was good fun whilst it lasted, folks. Truly good fun. But fear is a funny thing. I'll not be headed to pros any time soon. Seems to me they allow that sort of discussion only in the one forum -- otherwise they appear (and it is strictly appearance, I have no proof they do so all the time) to dislike having difficult subject discussed elsewhere. One thing though -- I'm loud, direct, and talkative. When I get up on my box, I'll take on everything and anyone. Done so here a few times, and pulled punches only once or twice. I just never really got to do it in the Den, damn it. ah well... so... When's the next attempt at an open forum here?

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)