Xantor: If you use the material room a lot for water, reflections and displacment mapping rather than bump mapping then you will end up rendering over night ;P With a serious render in Vue I usually end up waiting 50 hours or so (P4 2.2 Ghz, 1gig ram) I honestly think norton is having a detrimental effect though - I plan to kill it before I load poser from now on just incase.