aeilkama wrote: "Working with Vue 4 / 5 is so much more pleasant then working with Bryce 5." I find the reverse. Vue has me cussing and swearing at its slowness and kludginess and poor design. But I stick with it because the results are better. Another thing I like about Vue is the atmosphere editor, which is much more powerful than Bryce's. I like the way you can radically alter the look of an image by playing around with global diffuse/ambient settings. On the other hand, individual lights are more flexible in Bryce as you can set power and falloff separately, which is missing from Vue 4.