I'm, quite frankly, really sick of this feud between what/who is a true 3-D program/artist. As Fugi has mentioned, I, too, have heard this at CGTalk. A great percentage of the members downtalk both Poser and Bryce, saying that using these programs is "cheating", and does not make anyone a true 3-D artist, because they are parametric model generation software. I'm sorry, but since when did a program decide on who is an artist or not? I had always believed that it was on HOW a medium was used that made an artist. You know, I can literally throw crap on an open-face paper bag and call it art, and someone may actually like it. I don't need to grab a brush and oils to be an artist. Composition, style, and the imagination. Does anywhere in that sentence say that Maya, paint brush, acrylic, toothpaste makes an artist?