just to throw in my opnion but dont you think it wouid be more easer to say app x is better than app d when it comes down to it i always feel it's more about what works for you blender works great for ysvry and c4d workd great for Silgrin and thats kool.But when it comes down to it all were doing is adding an extra tool we have to work with maybe point a,b and c work great in c4d and point e,f and g work great in blender so instead of knocking this or knocking you combine the good points of both thats kinda like i see a lott of people say photo shop is soo much better paint shop pro i own paint shop pro and down loaded a demo of photoshop some things photo shop did better and some things paint shop pro did better and was easer to do so you could combine the two and have a really great tool to use.ok i know im problie juss rambling on but i just got home from work and just wanted to say this bottom line is (if you can run it on you're machine with out troubles that is) blender just adds to the tools you have to work with some good some bad but you can never have enouf tools to work with oh and by the way i did down load a demo of c4d 9 and tryed it out ok i guess im done ramblimng on so if you've read all this up to this point id have to give you an A + for the day lol draven