emily, your avatar at least does look like she came from a different tribe! Thanks. Luckily, while I WAS frustrated a month ago while trying to get Vickie to look like people, I am not frustrated now, because i let go of her.... I am flowing in power with my current solution. Last night I created that jazz musician older black guy in about 2 hours. Tonight I am working on a dignified older professor, female, whose face looks lived in. Other ethnicities and ages to come. what's your solution for Vickie's bad shoulder/upper arm and the fold at the elbow that looks like a bent straw? And when I look at Stephanie, she seems to have the same affliction. [note: post processing is not a solution to this for an animator.] ::::: Opera :::::