All the unimeshes have that damn upperarm anomaly-- I don't seem to have as much problem with the elbows. I'm lucky I don't animate. I think V3 would be hell to animate in any form other than RR cause she's just too huge--inhabits that area right at the border where Poser fails actually. All I can do is avoid over head arm stuff. V2 did not have the same awful problem and there's a picture in my gallery called Rapture that -- I think-- does arms overhead acceptably. Maybe I accept less perfection. My former fave for storytelling was Steff 1 and she's brittle as straw but strangely appealing like a gangly colt. I think we want different things from our programs and are willing to take different tradeoffs to get them. I don't have time to model-- or talent. Judy does not inspire me at all, unfortunately. V3 inspires me a little, Sp3 does alot and she's brittle too but human. Also, I love postwork, I'm good at it. There's is in postwork two chances to play, first I do the very best I can with Poser and then the very best I can with PhotoShop. This is why I say, you have to know what you want before you buy into this program or any program. I played around in these forums for three months while I was deciding to get back into 3d. I did it to stimulate my mind as I was getting older. To teach an old dog a new trick. Poser 5 almost broke me, it was so hard to learn. I pity those starting with 5 who just want to play-- I really want to say-- start with Artist, suck up the awful library mess and learn fast and cheap and fun. And, by the way, I really like your early characters-- especially the lower right Judy with Koz's ponytail, she's cute as a button and utterly real. It is Judy, right. I also wonder if Shade wouldn't give me more tools to work with. But I'm disabled now and under pretty strong pain-killers so my learning time hasw lessened. So has my Poser time. Unfortunately-- you can tell from the gallery how long it's been since I've been able to work. Trying to get everything moved from a huge Dell desktop to a small laptop has been agonising and just when everything was supposed to go togethr my firewire card busted. I'm hoping that's all it was. I should be able to mount some small runtimes any day now though. And be back in business. I have one dark and acouple of light holiday pics in mind and dang it, you're getting em late.;)) Keep doing what you're doing operaguy. You're doing it very well. I'm just trying to present an alternative view. Emily