Rick, I was wondering if I would hear from you after telling you what I really think of your last image. I am very glad that you are still talking to me :)) I couldn't agree more about the work that goes into a quality image. I hope you don't mind, but let's use your "Silmarillion" as a talking point. I am in awe of that image. It is technical perfection. Anyone who has ever built an image like that in UF knows that every highlight and shadow is "painted" within UF. I am well aware of the time, patients and skill required to build an image like that, but I am not convinced that an outsider would see it as art and hang it in their living room. I do see it as art, but I know what is behind the image. I'll stop picking on you and talk about a few of my own images. When I selected images to print and sell, "Bird", "Humming Bird" and the reef images were not included. Images like that are either not abstract enough or not real enough. I figured that if someone wanted an image like those they would buy a photo or a painting of them. I did sell a copy of one of my first flame flower compositions: http://home.comcast.net/~fractalsbykeith/pgs/frac154.htm That surprised me because I was thinking along the same lines, if someone wanted a picture of flowers they would buy a photo or a painting. That said, my assumptions about "Silmarillion" and "Hummingbird" could be wrong. That's why I am asking these questions. What do fractal outsiders want? What do mainstream fractal images look like? Is there any hope of getting regular people excited about fractal art?