yes, the 20 used to be the best of the best. as for it now being the renders that people like the most....well, i see the same folks commenting time and again on one another's work....often adding the "V" after their comments. hardly a true cross section of gallery viewers, imo. basically, the 20 has been hijacked, and most of us don't have the numbers of a yahoo or aol list group to hijack it back. those of us who spend more time actually trying to learn to do things, and to artistically grow, aside from earning a living don't really have the time or inclination to curry favor with groups of any sort.