Actually, the middle one from my PoserPros gallery is my oldest Vicki3-- late forties, I'd say. I'm still, afterlooking through my galleries, more impressed with my V2s, Steff 1's and M2-- though less so there, lots of work to make Mike2 do more than lumber. Slim Michael helped. So they got him real slim for M3 and I complain about that.LOL No pleasing me, is there? Toxic Angel's Ogre with a combo of textures is still my fav though. He has the most expressive hands. And a great sarcastic face. Emily