what a diference between the tone in your first post and the second one..... obviously you did not read my post....first because the questions i had where allready there and secondly because i have no fustration since i don't think my piece is in the top 10....but i think other animations are.... secondly i have no further questions..... so i see no reason to IM you since i allready know what you are about to aswer.... answers like "art is in the eye of the beholder" and "this is an age old argument" will get you out of anything....and mean nothing.....this is not a healty way of looking at this issue.....if art is indeed in the eye of the beholder then you should put that in the judging criteria( ex. 100 points for whatever we feel like)......you had that judging criteria to avoid saying this and yet you say it......amazing.... quote" We had several different judges, all of whom had different opinions. We added the scores together and this is how it turned out." ...in this case my respect goes to those different judges.... and since you said i can IM you with any question and you will answer, i think you don't mind to answer me here : how many points got dreampaint's entry for :Quality of the imagery,Lighting and perspective....how about roriels's entry..... and still i can't see the scores....where are they posted? and now please don't ignore my first questions( about the specific scores).....cause i noticed a habbit in answering just the last question..... i totally have no more questions or anything to add at this if you answer my questions here that would be great if not so be it.... and please understand that i am not taking on the people that submited those entries.....i am trying to understand the judging criteria........but again if the art is in the eye of the beholder, then as hamlet would say " the rest is silence"............