i have been reading your thoughts and wishes about fractalling becoming acceptable as a form of art, like paintings, sculpturing, photos a.s.o. I can certainly see not much difference between photoart and fractals, there is a lot good and more awful in both genres. photos seem more acceptable, but only because it exist much longer and everyone makes them. but to be honest, it is difficult to sell it,considering that every household has at least one camera in the house there are just a few that makes a living at selling there work as art. but i saw the newyears concert in vienna yesterday on tv, and i was surprised to see that they used fractal-stuff as background for one of their performances. i must say it lacked quality, even from my beginners point of view. but all i want to say is, that i think there is a future for computer-art. all you need is time. monica