yup, there wasn't a manual when I downloaded wings and I failed to make a decent wine glass using the wine glass tutorial. A simple wine glass. Didn't download wings to make wine glasses anyway-- what I thought when I gave up. Wanted to make characters. My latest project is the closest I've come to actually completing one. It's ready to be rigged. http://hometown.aol.com/divinerain/page3.html http://hometown.aol.com/divinerain/wings3d.html -- completed hands and at the time a WIP foot. Followed Stahlberg's foot modeling tutorial for that 1 but I didn't follow it thru to add all the detail he has. And he's a Maya user. After I scratched the wine glass bit I came across this tutorial http://www.secondreality.ch/tutorials/modelling/head.html If I remember correctly it's written for max. Skipping the spherify bit, but moving edges/vertices to resemble the other screenshots the spherify bit really isn't necessary. The end result is the same regardless of method. One more url-- http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=108412&page=1&pp=15 Stahlberg's body topology thread.

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