After all these possibilities...Renderman, Vue, Shade... For the current project I am still favoring a pure Poser5 'rendercondo,' for the reasons stated above...stay in one app, no tweaking each scene in a 'foreign' app, Poser5 proceedural materials driven by NaturalSkinShader, poser render times acceptable. Perhaps in my next I will go to Maya. They have a Renderman plugin now for under $1000.00 and plugins for ThePixelFarm's MatchMove and facial motion capture software or the same from Famous3D proFACE[video]. ::::: Opera :::::