well, Id suggest that we use the standart vue scene called "causistics" by Mitch Janssen....its found under samples 2...I think it would be clever to start rendering directly after the pc was rebooted...all programs except vue 5 of course should be turned off...it would also be nice if everyone has all of his software ( specially vue ;) ) up to date :)....dont chance anything except the rendersettings... settings should be "ultra", "render to screen", resolution 800*600, 72 dpi.... when you post your render-time please post your pc-settings as detailed as possible... e.g. cpu, how many megs and what kind of ram, video card used (memory?), OS, and so on....please be as precise as you can :) Tia p.s. if anyone has good suggestions please share it :)