PS: Just would like to add: I've been a Poser addict for almost a whole year now and love Poser4 and I did invest in the orginal Vicky model and may updrage so I can get V3 and M3. I never looked at the Poser figures as porn, just a nude figure I can dress and play with and have a bit of fun. Bryce is pretty boring, just rendering landscapes all day is not my idea of fun. I use it and yes I've learned a lot and don't usually slam products but hearing people slam Poser in these other forums is starting to piss me of a little. I think Poser is a great program. I have learned so much since using it I can't see using anything else even tho I would like to make my own models and props someday in the near future. Hell as a female, I wish I had Vicky's figure lol. :P (my 2 cents worth)