AntoniaTiger "But how much will it cost to get away from NVITWAS" Funny you should mention that. The 25th Xmas freebie in the DAZ forums was a NVIATWAS kit. LOL XENOPHONZ Will V4 be free? slowly slips into a trance I see .. in the near future. . .. no V4 . . no M4 .. I see.. A Beast! A freakish uni-figure with extreme morphs to make all manner of fantasy humanoid monsters, from aliens to werewolves. . . and what could be David SR1, and some python scripts who's purpose I can't fathom yet. slips out of the trance and wonders what just happened