you would ENJOY doing this by hand??? Yep...you're an IT Man for sure!!!! sounds confusing, complicated and time-consuming to me!!! Yowser! my head is spinning trying to makes sense of what you say....LOL!!! Thanks though. if i was smarter about these things maybe it wouldn't be so difficult!!! hey, Jan-Carel... you notice i made clickable link in #7 of this thread. My first HTML I ever did!!! takes a bow. pretty soon i'll be making scrolling messages!!! then webpages!!!! well, maybe not webpages....