Those two items are very interesting. Fritz, are you asking for reaction because you don't have them and are thinking of getting them? Or do you have one or the other? I get the feeling you want to ask...if you deform a model extensively and save it using the pose tools, does the deformation "take?" Well...I certainly want to know the answer to that myself! Here is my question to anyone. How does the deformer do in an attempt to fix the problems with the Mill. figures' shoulder/collar/upper arm? Can their arms be made to 'deform' out to normal appearance and so that the upper arm no long 'bows' in, unnaturally? ::::: Opera :::::