I don't have the deformers but I got the Pose Tools a couple of days ago and so far I have not been able to use it 'cos it keeps giving an error message. I installed the patch for WinXP after I installed the Pose, but it didn't seem to do anything. I've now asked DAZ for a refund 'cos I can't be annoyed with it any more. If anyone else had got it and overcome this problem I'd really like to hear about it. Catlin