Oh no, this is your baby, I thought you said you were having a DTE meltdown? Thats why I came to offer assistance, if I could. Its looking like a vase there because I was only trying to give a quick outline explanation of the procedure without becoming focused on the obvious. Cheatingwell, perhaps a littledo you know of another way to raise the design, I mean within Bryce proper? If you do, Id like to know. Im stopping right here, Youve egged me on far enough along, you take it to its natural conclusion and I really would like to see where you were headed with this. I love the edging you were using. And when you used the opacity/transparency map, the design looked so delicate, almost fragile. Its a great ring design BTW. Any more work on this and Ill have to make it my own. LOLGood Smeagol always helps. Hurry hobbitses, hurry. My precious(in my best Smeagol voice in reference to the ring). :)