Sometimes I wonder if some of us are reading different Poser 4 & Poser 5 manuals?! Let's just figure someone comes here to ask a question, and should be able to reasonably expect to get an answer here. In my own opinion, it's best to show the newbies the easiest way to accomplish a goal first. Then they can have a chance to do things "the hard way." I've been at this for 5 years, and I still can't do a decent pose entirely from scratch.