gee wiz these people are just sending in batting practice fastballs, i could hit that one into McCovey Cove! I found a morph for the shoulders in RDNA today, trying it out when I get a chance. I found out that the Mill Morphing product does not solve the issue. I also did some render time trials on V3 vs Judy today. Of course there is a hit, but its not as if she cost double or anything. I also was told how to take any/all V3 textures and move them into V2/EJ. It's all very interesting. ::::: Opera :::::