Janet, I appreciate your vision but I am not sure how anyone can accomplish it with a fractal. I think that we find fractals interesting because they remind us of things that we have seen before. They exist everywhere in reality. I don't doubt that there is an envelope to push - there will be another Picasso or Van Gogh - but I doubt that it will be born in a fractal. But who am I to say? In the mean time we don't even know what the envelope is in the fractal world. All of us are students and we are slowing branching out in many different directions with fractals. For example, Rick is pushing his technical skills to create reality. Who knows where that will lead to 5 years down the road? Others are studying texture, light, perspective and color, often by creating scenes and geometric objects like spheres. Those things could be the means by which the envelope is pushed - anything could. I think Dave has an interesting thought in building large images. You don't see too many 8 x 10 inch masterpieces. Most are much bigger. In The Louvre, the room that has the Mona Lisa in it has paintings as big as a small house. Maybe fractals would get more attention by emphasizing their infinite resolution with a larger size. Our computer screens could be a road block. Keith