"...trouble is I dont do clean & pristine all that well,lol" Well, that's fine with ME! Not looking for pristine at all...just a variety of grunge and decay. How about this: "Urban Sprawl" model at DAZ "publisher" area. THEN, 2 Platinum offerings that are a set of Mats that compliment the basic model. Each of the 2 PC texture sets just provide a series of Mats that change, say, 10-15 building textures to something differnt than any texture in the basic model. ducks and runs for cover